supercoach
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Post by supercoach on May 5, 2008 18:24:24 GMT 10
Supercoach has always thought that the classification of spinners as off spin and leg spin and finger spinner and wrist spinner etc was inadequate and outdated.
Supercoach's spinner key factors....
1. Can he get high spin, rotation, and revs on the ball?
2. Direction of wrist action at delivery
3.finger action
4.angle of wrist at release
5.seam control
Supercoach's classification.....
1. Anticlockwise spinner or AC spinner (anticlockwise wrist rotation at release)
2. Clockwise spinner or C spinner (clockwise wrist rotation at release)
3. Zero spinner or 0 spinner (no real spin/low revs)
4. Finger flicker or FF spinner ( use a finger flick from behind the ball)
Some examples...
DLE, D Cullen= C spinner.
Shane Warne, B Rowse= AC spinner.
Richo,C White, GB= 0 spinner.
J Iverson,J Gleeson = FF spinner.
Now it seems to me that Mendis is a C spinner who bowls the doosra with a FF style.
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Post by nickmclachlan on May 5, 2008 18:27:23 GMT 10
supercoach has always thought that speaking in third person is better than first person for some reason 1. yes 2. slight variations, generally the bowler or the left i think 3. tweaking 4. pretty straight 5. perfect  , |
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Post by TC Ink on May 5, 2008 18:32:27 GMT 10
Gee we are really pushing the boundaries with this topic, haha. But if talk stays on topic it will remain open, simple as that. Interesting suggestions there, but wouldn't the classification of clockwise or anticlockwise become a bit confusing with left handers and right handers? Also some spin bowlers use both wrist spin as well as flicking their fingers to generate turn, what happens here? HAHAHAHAHA  Putting Matt alongside GB when it comes to spin is a bit of a mismatch ;D |
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supercoach
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Post by supercoach on May 5, 2008 18:45:48 GMT 10
the finger flickers bend their index finger BEHIND the bal and then flick it out at delivery.It is posiible to bowl both off spin and leg spin this way.It is very difficult to control and that is the reason that very few of them have made it.
remember..you ain't got control of line and length you got nothing.
well Gb and Richo tend to bowl quite a few nude balls when it comes to spin.
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Post by TC Ink on May 5, 2008 18:49:49 GMT 10
Alrite, what about those that bowl out of the back of the hand (I think Murali does this), this is all wrist but it is not turning clockwise or anticlockwise.
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dle rulez
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Post by dle rulez on May 5, 2008 18:55:24 GMT 10
DLE, D Cullen= C spinner.
does being a C Spinner mean a good thing? Or a Bad Thing?? 
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Post by TC Ink on May 5, 2008 18:57:15 GMT 10
Perhaps you need to read the post more carefully. C Spinner means you rotate your wrist in a clockwise direction. Its neither good or bad just describes your action.
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supercoach
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Post by supercoach on May 5, 2008 19:03:49 GMT 10
DLE....just 'turn the doorknob' and 'don't sign anything'.
TC...lets face it ...Murali doesn't bowl he straightens the elbow particularly on the doosra.
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dle rulez
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Post by dle rulez on May 5, 2008 19:08:04 GMT 10
Ohhhhh I Got it now =]
I Love doing my Off Spinners. I only look up to the one and
only Future spinner for Australia Dan Cullen xD.
Here are some of my examples of the spinners I know in the CPCC Club. Reply Back if you are offended by any of my comments.
N.McLachlan = Darts But Very Effective = Michael Clarke Like
T.Carden = Zero Spinner
M.Richards = Variations , 2/6 balls Will Spin
S.Steindl = Darts
B.Gracie = AC Spinner 3/6 Balls Will Spin = Anil Kumble Like
H.Clarke = AC Spinner 3/6 Balls Will Spin = Cameron White Like
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Post by TC Ink on May 5, 2008 19:08:10 GMT 10
TC...lets face it ...Murali doesn't bowl he straightens the elbow particularly on the doosra. True, but he's been allowed to do, and that has nothing to do with the action of his hands, so how would you clasify him? |
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Post by TC Ink on May 5, 2008 19:11:06 GMT 10
Whats the point of even putting me in, I dont even bowl spin. And you are also wrong, whenever I do happen to bowl spin I can actually turn it pretty well. In fact a long long time ago I did bowl some legspin and on occasions it was quite effective  |
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supercoach
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Post by supercoach on May 5, 2008 19:15:01 GMT 10
DLE,,,does H Clarke get high revs on the ball?
........explain the realtionship between turn the doorknob and C spin?
TC...Murali legal deliveries are C spin. the only reason he can bowl the doosra is that he straighten s the elblow ie throws. it is possible (but not easy) to bowl a c spin doosra without trowing it.Saqlain did it.
maybe one of these threads we will move on to the supercoach spin matrix.
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dle rulez
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Post by dle rulez on May 5, 2008 19:15:34 GMT 10
Ill never forgot the Maccas though in the Nets awhile ago =]
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Post by ::Richo:: on May 5, 2008 19:40:09 GMT 10
lol this discussion has taken a rather interesting turn, i reckon that jacko's onto to something here with this rating system here i also think davo's not paying attention calling tom a 0 spinner tom can get spin tom can spin it and he does turn his wrist when he bowls.
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Post by nickmclachlan on May 5, 2008 19:48:42 GMT 10
Ohhhhh I Got it now =]
I Love doing my Off Spinners. I only look up to the one and
only Future spinner for Australia Dan Cullen xD.
Here are some of my examples of the spinners I know in the CPCC Club. Reply Back if you are offended by any of my comments.
N.McLachlan = Darts But Very Effective = Michael Clarke Like
T.Carden = Zero Spinner
M.Richards = Variations , 2/6 balls Will Spin
S.Steindl = Darts
B.Gracie = AC Spinner 3/6 Balls Will Spin = Anil Kumble Like
H.Clarke = AC Spinner 3/6 Balls Will Spin = Cameron White Like this is ridiculous i am chris gayle like not michael clarke like he bowls pies sam steindl bowls poor leggies hamish isnt like cameron white, they're complete opposites bryce is nothing like anil kumble, he just called himself that because schoons called himself harbhajan the bit about tom is right though |
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supercoach
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Post by supercoach on May 5, 2008 21:35:16 GMT 10
Ok guys now you are getting it...
lets try one for yourself...
Classify Sccons from Long Reef.
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Post by nickmclachlan on May 5, 2008 21:39:06 GMT 10
Schoons?
he would be a 0
no revs
just lobs
right arm super slow
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Post by TC Ink on May 5, 2008 21:44:15 GMT 10
Fine then Ill spell his name right
Scoon, from memory either bowls C Spin or FF, I haven't faced him so I don't know if it spins or not...
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dle rulez
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Post by dle rulez on May 5, 2008 21:56:47 GMT 10
I Faced Scoons. I Hit 2 Fours Of his bowling in
my B3's Debut for the Plateau side. And then
I accepted his challenge and lost and got stumped </3
All he bowls are lobs that are good to drive =]
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Post by nickmclachlan on May 5, 2008 22:01:08 GMT 10
lol, davo got comprehensively beaten by the slowest straight ball ever |
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dle rulez
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Post by dle rulez on May 6, 2008 8:54:42 GMT 10
Oh Well. Was A Great Debut.
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Post by nickmclachlan on May 6, 2008 16:07:33 GMT 10
lol you outscored me in half the time!
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Post by ::Richo:: on May 6, 2008 21:55:12 GMT 10
ive never faced scoons before but i was at the non strikers end once, he did get a bit of turn clockwise if i remember correctly.
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Post by nickmclachlan on May 7, 2008 16:40:35 GMT 10
nah, no turn what so ever,
like actually
he just lobbed it
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Post by Sammy on May 7, 2008 22:29:58 GMT 10
Wow..
This thread just won't die will it!
Oh well
On topic so far!
B.Rowse was the only quality leg spinner I faced this season, and even he wasn't great...
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